I'm finding my sense of class becoming even more acute as my blue-collar background self joins the echelons of upper admin, so I appreciate the precision in this post specifically. I didnt realize how restrictive that definition actually was so I appreciate the detail here!
Warmaiden, you are, um, *strongly anticipating* the flow of these essays.:) I don't want to be pushy, but while I ready the next post: it seems to me that Henderson does *not*, despite his current success, view himself as upper class. Assuming that your 'blue-collar background' does not include college-educated parents, but you are now flying much higher, socioeconomically speaking, do you identify as upper class? (No pressure to reply--just something to ponder that will feed into subsequent posts.)
Interesting. I don't - as the first in the family with college degrees, I consider myself upper-middle class, not just based on income (which looks upper class at this point) but because my savings is at $0 and my educational debt is significant. That line of looking like one thing but living like another, I suppose. I guess some upper-class suffers from the 'making rich money but not having rich investments' sort of thing - maybe that's the difference between 'rich' and 'wealth.' To me, upperclass implies an economic fallback :) My own baggage, I suppose.
Just reading your posts since you linked me and while yes it probably only affects the margins, two groups you are missing here which doesn't require you to expand to the ITT Tech to find the numbers is households and foreigners. Many US "elites" have immigrated or simply went to college overseas hence you also have to include the "Ivys" from their countries, i.e. Oxford, Cambridge, Heidelberg , whatever that French bureaucrat finishing school is, etc. Likewise a high school drop out sex worker who marries a Ivy Leaguer inherits the class as long as they remain married as do their children up until adulthood. Given I'm going to arbitrarily claim 33% of Ivys marry down, that expands the pool quickly.
Thanks for expanding on this :)
Oh, but wait friend, there will be more.:-) I have an unhealthy obsession with social class!
I'm finding my sense of class becoming even more acute as my blue-collar background self joins the echelons of upper admin, so I appreciate the precision in this post specifically. I didnt realize how restrictive that definition actually was so I appreciate the detail here!
Warmaiden, you are, um, *strongly anticipating* the flow of these essays.:) I don't want to be pushy, but while I ready the next post: it seems to me that Henderson does *not*, despite his current success, view himself as upper class. Assuming that your 'blue-collar background' does not include college-educated parents, but you are now flying much higher, socioeconomically speaking, do you identify as upper class? (No pressure to reply--just something to ponder that will feed into subsequent posts.)
Interesting. I don't - as the first in the family with college degrees, I consider myself upper-middle class, not just based on income (which looks upper class at this point) but because my savings is at $0 and my educational debt is significant. That line of looking like one thing but living like another, I suppose. I guess some upper-class suffers from the 'making rich money but not having rich investments' sort of thing - maybe that's the difference between 'rich' and 'wealth.' To me, upperclass implies an economic fallback :) My own baggage, I suppose.
Just reading your posts since you linked me and while yes it probably only affects the margins, two groups you are missing here which doesn't require you to expand to the ITT Tech to find the numbers is households and foreigners. Many US "elites" have immigrated or simply went to college overseas hence you also have to include the "Ivys" from their countries, i.e. Oxford, Cambridge, Heidelberg , whatever that French bureaucrat finishing school is, etc. Likewise a high school drop out sex worker who marries a Ivy Leaguer inherits the class as long as they remain married as do their children up until adulthood. Given I'm going to arbitrarily claim 33% of Ivys marry down, that expands the pool quickly.